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Thurs Nedarim 60

The Gemara says that if someone made a Neder not to eat today, although really he should be permitted at night, However the Rabanan required him to eat only with Hataras Nedarim. R' Yosef explains: its' a gezaira so he shouldn't permit to eat at night when he makes a Neder for a day, which he needs to refrain fro 24 hours.

R' Yirmiya says it's a Kanos (fine) for making a Neder,since he did wrong by making a Neder in the first place.

Ran explains: although regularly we don't fine people to extend their Neder to fine them. However, here there is a reason to extend it because of R' Yosef's Gezaira. However, R' Yirmiya holds that in itself it's not enough to worry that he'll become confused between the two Nedarim. However, since he did wrong for making the Neder we'll impose this gezaira on him and make him to make sure there is no chance whatsoever to mix them up.

 

Wed Nedarim 59

The Gemara says that Tevel for Trumos Maaser that was planted and grow, one needs to take off for only the amount of the original Tevel  (and we don't say that it's Batul to what grows) since we have a pasuk (as the Ran explains) that says only Heter that's planted turns into the next crop, but not seeds that are Assur (because of Tevel.)

Ran points out this must be only an Asmachta. Since we refer to things that don't disappear when it starts growing. We know all things that are Chayiv from the torah, its seed disappears when you plant it and grows. So, we must say the real reason they Assured it, since what you planted was Issur(Tevel) and what grows afterwards is also Issur (either Tevel or Shvious.) Therefore, just as we said (laast week, by Davar Sheyesh Lo Matirin) that Heter cannot Mivatel Heter. So too, Issur cannot Mivatel Issur.

 

Wed Nedarim 59

The Gemara says that Tevel for Trumos Maaser that was planted and grow, one needs to take off for only the amount of the original Tevel  (and we don't say that it's Batul to what grows) since we have a pasuk (as the Ran explains) that says only Heter that's planted turns into the next crop, but not seeds that are Assur (because of Tevel.)

Ran points out this must be only an Asmachta. Since we refer to things that don't disappear when it starts growing. We know all things that are Chayiv from the torah, its seed disappears when you plant it and grows. So, we must say the real reason they Assured it, since what you planted was Issur(Tevel) and what grows afterwards is also Issur (either Tevel or Shvious.) Therefore, just as we said (laast week, by Davar Sheyesh Lo Matirin) that Heter cannot Mivatel Heter. So too, Issur cannot Mivatel Issur.

 
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